This Strip is Not Safe For Work!

`Peyo` Here's an excellent request! Needless to say this is just a request for an extra feature, but I do think it's one people would like and would probably prompt more creativity. Also it's one that would help me and a friend out currently, not that I am asking you to rush it in or anything. The idea would be to make a game mode or setting where a list of users have unlimited access to a strip in terms of practical moderating. For example right now `jblask` and I are doing a comic where we alternate panels, but because we have to pass and there's a timer, we end up having to babysit the strip and re-pass to keep the timer alive between panels. Also, if decided he wanted to do multiple panels after a pass, like if an idea hit a bit later, he'd have to contact me and get me to cancel the pass he made to me so he could then reclaim it to do a panel. You can imagine how with 3 people this would start to become a juggling act where the management of the strip would start to rival the time spent doing the art, and with 4 or 5 it would become nearly impossible without a constant group chat. Enter: Collab mode. This mode would allow a strip creator to just tag other users, giving them essentially unlimited access to a strip. The need for passing would be eliminated since everyone tagged for participation could just add a panel whenever they wanted. A pretty good thing and it would be inviting to people wanting to work on solidly defined concepts such as a traditional narrative. Also it would give people a way to create a "game" type strip with firmly established rules and include only those who knew the rules and played correctly. The tagged users for a collab strip could be included in the copied settings when someone copied the strip format so it would allow a game to be set up, people to be tagged in, then when it was over for the strip to be copied with the tagged list intact so the game could continue.

hold on you should already be able to add panels to secret strips once it was passed to you (once you added a panel you should be able to access) and there should be a multidraw mode so anyone can submit any amount of panels (not just the owner) is any of this not working? 🤔 (or am I misunderstanding what you want?)

I'm guessing the idea is to have that, but without the game being hidden from everyone else. Kinda like a Friends Only game, but with a more curated list?

`Peyo` `Aluminimalism` Yes, exactly! Peyo the problem with passing is let's say I own the game and I do a panel, then pass it to `jblask`. If he makes a panel and passes it back to me, even with multidraw, it means if he thinks of another panel he wants to add he'd have to contact me and get me to un-pass it to get access again. And the more participants you have in a strip, the harder that gets to manage if it's a project where people need to be able to add new ideas freely. And yes, for a comic you want to share with others as it goes hidden comics aren't suitable at all.

you should be able to cancel a pass? .. hmm.. or only the strip owner can do that? I don't remember 🤔 (that might be the real problem) (passes are not as strict as in pj as you can repeat it.. only claim is treated seriously because otherwise there are bugs .. it's really just a way to get your attention) maybe I could expand the animation frame reordering for regular panels? and then you can just rearrange what you got? 🤔 I guess we could add co-owner's somehow.. (only tricky part is that it involves adding an extra database table so I'm trying to figure out if there is a simpler way to get around that.. for now at least)

`Peyo` Actually yes, `Aluminimalism` brought up to me you actually can cancel a pass if you're not the owner, which makes sense. Sorry about that! It would still cause a lot of complexity for 3 or more users however. The main concept I was focusing on was a way to make it so the people working on a strip don't have to ever pass or really worry about a time limit. Like I say it's not essential, but it definitely does make it more likely for people to share work since they get the dopamine hit of submitting after each panel. Which in turn puts something in the feed for others to look at and hopefully get inspired by so they'll feel inclined to make things too. It may be too difficult, I don't know how the site works so couldn't say, and you'd have to be the judge of that! I think it would be a good feature to add if you're ever looking to add a feature. I think the two main things that would make this idea work would be thus: 1. Make it so only people tagged by the strip owner can submit panels so there's no need to pass. 2. Actually there might not even be a number 2 since the rest could be set up under the strip's normal settings. I like that idea of being able to re-order! Right now to re-order I've had to save existing panels, delete them, add the new panel, then re-upload the deleted panel.

I kind of understand what you are going for now.. not sure how long it will take though 🤔 (btw do you remember past requests I promised to do? is there a priority list of them like which one you want done first?)

`Peyo` No actually everything's excellent I think you have made the site really feature rich! That's why I wanted to point out these ideas are more extra things that not only do I like, but that would hopefully draw people in so the site can attract new users. That's why I don't want it to come across like "OMG WE NEEEED THIS" it's more something that would be a really nice surprise for people who want to collaborate or do a "weekly comic" sort of thing with friends. Most sites tend to very tightly concentrate on a game mode, so the idea of a comic site like this being useful to creators is pretty novel! The animation features you've put in are REMARKABLE in the scope of art sites, I have never seen anything like that and I wish there was some way to make it clearer to people they exist because I know most people don't expect it. I think the best feature are the moderator tools! When I think of stuff that made other sites obnoxious to use, moderator tools would have solved it. They already solved a problem for me and I appreciate it! They would have really saved Panel Jam, not that it ended up mattering in the end. So I think the site's great, there's really nothing as a comic creator or animator you'd want to do that it doesn't allow. And it doesn't stick you in a game mode! Thanks for all you've done, it's really great to have your site to post on. Otherwise I probably wouldn't be on any art sites at all!

`Peyo` That's a pretty good idea in truth, eventually having a pretty splashy and informative "Features" page people can go to for a rundown of everything they can do would be a pretty good thing to add to the site. Just coming in people are probably going to think it's an exact copy of Drawception or another site so having a way to tell them everything they can do in one glance would be good.

still I better make a panel or something about this list (I cannot recall them for real) from what I hear drawception has technical problems? (I still never managed to register, either it's closed or just doesn't work and doesn't send the confirmation email) are there more of them even alive? 🤔

`Peyo` I really can't remember anything you didn't add I think you put everything in! So if you make a panel about it I'll be able to see what was forgotten too. Drawception I used to be very active on long ago then quit when the owner cut the value of donations we'd made in half (Basically you'd donate to the site and get credits, and suddenly he just cut the value of credits without warning, and I was like "Oh this guy's a jerk and will abandon the users." so got out of there) So anyway now, as predicted, he's abandoned the users for years and the site seems broken. I haven't done anything there since I found Panel Jam since Panel Jam completely annihilated Drawception for my purposes, but your site has annihilated Panel Jam so it's all good!

I can only hope i didn't annihilate anything.. I kind of feel bad that he knew about this site and that might contributed in finally closing off PJ.. 😟 at least donations are not a worry for us (or at least they are a very very very long way from now 🤔 )

`Peyo` I meant in terms of usability! I don't think making this site hurt any other site, if either Panel Jam's founder or the founderof Drawception claimed this site had deteriorated their own I'd be like "Oh okay well finally you have an excuse." It's all good, progress is great!

I guess it would have been closed eventually .. like he mentioned the running cost and it was brutal (1 year cost of PJ is roughly 20 years of PCH.. and that was with the subscribers added) .. I can't help but feel that 'the cloud' is just another dotcom bubble 🤔

The Cloud is just someone else's computer!

ok now the teams mode is under testing there are still some shenanigans: in secret mode it won't show on your feed but you should be able to access the strip page if you got the url 🤔 also you should be able to pass outside the team 🤔 and after that chaos ensues.. (it was added so quickly because only minimal testing was done 😓) anyway if you encounter any bugs let me know

I gave it a shot, it looks good so far but then nothing much has happened. I'll try it out for sure! Thanks for adding this Peyo!