ok here is yet another variation:  in this on the brushes are always visible .. well expect for the pixel tool - not sure where to put it also I forgot about the onion slider again.. 🤔

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and I forgot all about the onion and the onion slider .. and the button for anim backdrop

yes I doubt the text window would fit in such a small panel I guess that is a veto for the submenu -- maybe we could just change the tools place for now? .. hmm maybe I could add some vertical space between some buttons .. how do you guys feel about this one:  (just small changes: special buttons on top -- brushes on bottom -- color picker and eraser moved to very bottom -- palette and sliders are next to each other)

i'm not sure about this one.. just brainstorming (moving things around in mspaint and such)  I guess the submenu is a good idea to add no matter what .. maybe FX should be in convert to a seperate one as well? and the mirroring and blur could have buttons this way

hmm.. how about we move the shapes to the brushes and switch the palette and shape tool menu:  I guess the stamp and text etc. could be added to its own submenu maybe.. maybe the brushes too ?

`TeeEffDee` I just remembered that due to another feature request we got the WASDFGH buttons select the palette colors and I was going to use S to save the layer as a hotkey.. is there any other shortcut that seems convenient for this?

also is the previous panels unchanged for this one? (.. and same question for the submit and back buttons)

I guess I'm speaking for everyone when I say: we wouldn't mind drawing with him at all (it's not like our stories make any sense either 🐡 ) as long as you make sure he doesn't see things you don't want him to see I'm fine with anything

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it's a neat plan so far (I see you have trouble placing the sliders as well?) btw is the top slider for zooming on this one? putting the shapes as subtools seems like a good idea only thing I'm not sure about if is everyone ok with having a vertical color palette?

and we summoned you somehow! 👀

awww shit son 😯

do you fear of tsunamis when you are awake? or is it only appeared in the dreams?

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# 🐿️ absolutely

you can find it by going into groups and then [All Groups](/group) (I'm not sure where to place these new features anymore.. they keep ending up as hidden featuress.. I hope Carrot comes back and starts talking sense into me: I seem to be lost without him)

I feel todays world best can be summed up by Murphy: "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong, and at the worst possible time."

I just googled the guy and now he works on Looney Tunes apparently? (hmm .. maybe he is pushing boundaries after all?)

not much of a communicator this jamdaddy guy 🤔

agreed hmm.. it could be probably done through webassembly to export absolutely anything (like converting a cpp exporter to js maybe) but I'm not much familiar with it .. so another feature for the far future

hmm.. could this be our first collab anim finished? (in site history?)

I just did some research on it and turns out google is already hard at work on killing JPG XL ( e.g. they are removing it from chrome some next update) google is giving microsoft a run for their money when it comes to being a jerk.. sigh 🙄

so far I checked into webp -- thinking as it was an old format now and has animation browsers definetly must support it and could be used to export the animations -- but turns out only displaying them is supported, they never bothered to add support for export (at least with anim) .. so I'm not too optimistic if this JPEG XL or any new formats will be supported anytime soon I can add a shortcut sure (just press S? Ctrl+S might be used by the browser.. hmm) but you don't need to backup for each and every frame the backup is really is for these very long painting sessions (2-3 hours) in case the submit might fail.. so if the submit is succesful the layers are backed up and nothing to worry about (but then again I don't know how much time you spend on a frame)

i'm afraid saving anything beyond png or jpg might be out of javascript capabilities (at least browser javascript - it would involve writing my own exporter -- what makes that tricky is all the compression a format uses that would have to be re-implemented in js somehow) aww I forgot about backing up layers locally .. anyway your ideas gave me an idea: maybe the floppy icon could open a seperate backup menu with also buttons to save all layers? (that would solve the confusion at least) due to security stuff I will probably cannot save them sequentially (I would need to check your hdd to figure out what is the last saved number was -- on the other hand I think chrome auto renames duplicate files on download) I guess i could just add the date/timestamp to the filename? (as long as the layer strip and user id is there it will be easy to restore.. hmm)

it's a miracle! (seems to be a bit slow still)

apparently its no nut november .. yet everything's nuts! :T

hmm.. this is tricky

`TeeEffDee` what I'm afraid of we might forget about this feature too .. not sure how to make it more visible (I was going to add a standard floppy icon save first but that could be confusing what it does .. maybe I should add it to the submit popup too?)

`nooz` it seems to be back! did he say anything? edit: nevermind just saw your topic