`Peyo` Actually you don't have to worry about me at all, I'm not actually not very vulnerable to any of these exploits, and in fact I didn't even know they existed until I was prompted to check it out! I'm just letting you know, that's a gaping hole in user security and a huge invite for an easy attack from even the most low-intellect script kiddie. If you're able to turn it off for me that easily, it should be trivial to turn it off by default for everyone, so if they opt in at least they understand what they're opting for. So for example if someone wanted to use it to make a fake login page and harvest credentials, if the person hadn't opted in, that attempt would fall flat since it would never have been processed as a script. It's always better to let people choose what they want to do. I don't see the purpose of having that sort of HTML functionality in a title field anyway, not that it's really any of my business, but it just strikes me as "Enjoy our latest hamburger, which also comes with a handy injection port for chemicals and bio-agents." Like why is that even there? Why isn't it plain text to start with? I'm not asking for justification but when I see a security hole like that I naturally wonder why it even exists. "Our latest sleeping bag with handy mouse-sized access port for woodland vermin to get at you while you're sleeping."

`Peyo` I'll hold off on any philosophizing about the results of trying to please everyone, but a good solution would be to have a checkbox for an option to reduce all text on the site to plain text from a given user's standpoint, and have it on by default, so that if someone wants to take part in style sheet performance art they can opt in, versus just having it in their face unexpectedly. It would be trivial to harvest the login credentials of incautious users as it stands, and even as non-clever as I am I thought up a way to use this to crash someone's browser fairly easily (and annihilate their data allowance if they are on a fixed data plan), and of course the temptation of having a sound sample of the title-makers choice play through someone's speakers is going to eventually get too strong for someone to resist, which could lead to innocent users getting fired if they're using the site from work. In addition you can easily inject illegal or non-school-friendly material into someone's browser cache through this method, not to mention having it present on the site itself in a hidden form.

`Peyo` If you REALLY want to warn people about content, put a gate that has to be used for anyone making a page exploiting the site code. I have been purposely avoiding any uploads from Sam due to the subversion of the site, but someone else made me aware of the most egregious examples so I checked it out, and wow! That's genuinely changing this from an art site to the equivalent of those flashing animated GIF avatars people used to post on forum sites in hopes of inducing epileptic seizures. You ought to have a requirement that if someone is going to use the site for a layout experiment (especially involving blasting music. It's common sense something like that should ALWAYS have an audio warning, if someone is sitting somewhere silent and suddenly has audio blast out of their speakers that could really be an issue for them, and Sam KNOWS that, and so does everyone else. The potential for malice with that is through the roof.) So if layout subversion is going to actually be a part of the site and you encourage it, please make a rule that it has to be put behind a gateway page so it doesn't get inflicted on someone at a time when they might just be expecting a comic strip. I'm especially baffled that you were so resistant to the idea of image uploads under the idea that it was going to undermine the spirit of the site, but you're fine with someone making the page layout spin like a ceiling fan or play audio. The user who pointed it out to me is prepared to make a point by actually using it to do something malicious with the weakness so that it cannot be ignored, and even if they don't, someone is going to because it's a huge invitation for vandalism. That's really a bit much! I had no idea that was going on. Is that sort of thing do-able from the comment section, or does the person have to be the originator of the strip to pull it off? If it is possible through comments could you please make a way to limit comments to friends only if that doesn't already exist?

Actually since this hit 10 panels and has so many great pics I think I'm going to end this strip and start a new movie pics strip and start with a new picture! 10 seems like a good stopping point and limiting it to 10 means people won't be overloaded looking at it (Also I'd like to add a strip to the recently completed strips for content reasons.)

One idea is a checkbox to turn off the NSFW warnings for panels from your own account's viewpoint, or perhaps have an alternate way of indicating the NSFW status without hiding the image. After a certain amount of NSFW panels have been participated in a gallery just becomes a wall of those warnings! That way people who want NSFW blocked entirely can have it, and those who want to browse images regardless of status can do so. Also a way to truncate or disable the NSFW warning at the top of a strip by option would be good, as it's really unneeded once someone has decided they're okay with it.

`Peyo` I'm glad it was able to be handled through javascript! Thank you for adding it, I've already enjoyed it.

That's excellent! The Omega Feature!

`Peyo` Oooh very nice, very uptown! I can't wait to try that out, thank you for adding it Peyo! Was it very difficult to work out? Also that's nice it allows upload to all the layers! Very toey!

`KikiPotions` you drew some good animals and welcome to the site!

`Peyo` I remember the challenge, I saw it, but I'm not going to try and hack anything into a site, so that has nothing to do with me. I was just hoping to appeal to you to maybe just please add it in. Also I wasn't asking in order to use the site for a big project, but rather to be able to do panels without being logged in or being on a specific browser. That would mean if I got inspired to do something to post here, I could make it in whatever software I wanted, on whatever device I wanted, without an internet connection, and just post it when it was done. There's nothing subversive about what I'm asking. In fact, on the topic of the site being held together with glue and prayer, directly uploading a single-layer finished image is most likely much less of a stress on the site than creating the image in the on-site app.

`PȂX` What sort of abuse do you feel you might anticipate? And does that cross over with you enjoying working within software limitations, or was that two discreet ideas?

`Peyo` Please consider adding an upload feature. Right now with the site as quiet as it is, it's hard to work up the motivation to use the site tools for a project. Having the ability to upload could get things going potentially since then people could share work they didn't have to be on a web browser to create.

`SirensPort` Sirensport thank you so much for letting me do this comic with you and I hope it's okay I usurped it to participate! XD I love your magic character and remember her from PJ! It was so much fun, and I really appreciate it!

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`Peyo` That's interesting, I used to use Dissenter for Panel Jam since it gave the least problems, so maybe updates have been muddying the waters. Ooh as long as we're complaining to Google let's get them to re-think their lack of JPG XL support! (kidding of course)

`Peyo` It's still doing the same thing for me in Firefox just not as intensely as in Chromium (I'm using the Brave branch) and with slightly different colors.

`Peyo` This is interesting reading but honestly didn't give a solution, but it does show this has been a long time problem. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/4004463/algorithm-for-a-smudge-tool I'll test Firefox and see what it does.

`Peyo` I don't know what the math being used by the tool is, but it seems fairly certain that it's moving toward 0 value as the strokes are laid down. I can't really account for the hue shifts or judge why it's doing that.

`Peyo` I did some testing and it seems like as long as you're smudging on a transparent area nothing happens, but if there's color (Even a thin layer) it seems to start building through red toward eventually black, but if the smudge tool is set to alpha 100 it seems to build towards yellow/brown toward black.

`Peyo` Hey there, it definitely works more like expected so a step in the right direction! Now the expected color is being smudged. I am not sure if it was intentional, but I noticed there's a "burn" effect going on where even if I select white and smudge in one spot, it gradually darkens toward brown. I thought at first it was adding the selected color but it seems to just be doing a burn effect.

`Peyo` It's still a good tool to have access to so thank you for adding it! It is excellent for making textural changes.

`Peyo` I love the tool but the only issue I see with it is that it's pulling color out of whatever you stroke into. So for example if you stroke from inside an area of black out into an area of white, it will pull white into the black area instead of streaking black out into the white area. It's still a good tool I just wanted to point that out in case it was an easy fix to make it more intuitive.

`Peyo` Wonderful, it's working, but one more question: is it absolutely essentially to require it to thumbs-up the change to the color before instituting it? That's just another step that's in the way. Having it just auto-update the color as the selector is moved would be super slick and get rid of an aggravation. Thanks again, having it remain open is great!

`Peyo` Just putting it out there but I can understand that being difficult, thanks for the change!!! I'm gonna try it out

`Painovoima` Why thank you!!! It's lots of fun so far. Also the tools `Peyo` has added make doing the mist effects more and more fun as I go, this site has some amazing tools and I love it. I would never have thought of making something like this on PJ because it would have been murderous with the tools.

`Peyo` If you have an option for a triangular color picker I'd love that! Like the one that has the central value and saturation triangle and then the outer ring for selecting hue. Great news about the blur tool!

`Peyo` I second the permanent color wheel! Being able to just select a color swatch, zoom over and adjust a color mixer that is always present, and have it change would be great. (I realize it might be impossible due to Java however but it is a great idea) Also of course smudge tool would be great.

OOooh sounds great! ... Wait, cheaper? ... We were supposed to be paying for stuff? *runs*

`Toxical~` Yuss it makes a big difference, it took all the struggle out of my drawings!

`Peyo` Wow, thank you so much for adding this, I can't even believe how much easier it made doing a strip!